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Post by MMM on Oct 24, 2006 19:36:56 GMT -5
I think you, Crippled, Fuzzy, and lastresort should go out for 2:am drinks, have a good time, and walk away happy. You'll probably all get along pretty well after that...
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Post by CondorAlex on Oct 24, 2006 19:55:51 GMT -5
I think you, Crippled, Fuzzy, and lastresort should go out for 2:am drinks, have a good time, and walk away happy. You'll probably all get along pretty well after that... I'm just having a good time, regardless.
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Post by thelastresort on Oct 25, 2006 0:32:34 GMT -5
I'm happy. Hell, I'll even go for 2PM drinks! (or 9AM for that matter), as long as they are in Wildwood in the summertime....
As for CV, in my opinion, the bottom line is, it's Mike's board, and we are all guests here. It's up to him who stays and who goes.
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Post by fuzzyscorpio on Oct 25, 2006 1:48:57 GMT -5
I think you, Crippled, Fuzzy, and lastresort should go out for 2:am drinks, have a good time, and walk away happy. You'll probably all get along pretty well after that... Martin, you forgot Robert
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Post by MMM on Oct 25, 2006 17:04:45 GMT -5
OK, get together in Niagra Falls and Robert will join you...
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Post by huntspier4ever on Oct 25, 2006 22:33:06 GMT -5
Everyone should take the closing of this board as a time to bury the hatchet... I've resolved my differences and it would be great if others could do the same. Best of luck and I'll see you on the other (message board) side!
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Post by fuzzyscorpio on Oct 27, 2006 11:19:15 GMT -5
Everyone should take the closing of this board as a time to bury the hatchet... I've resolved my differences Really? With the subject of this thread? In that case, I can't imagine that you'd want to be so cruel as to bury his favorite toy... Seriously, Kristen, don’t get your hopes up. Some of the “differences” on this forum are pretty clearly irreconcilable.
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Post by hulk007 on Oct 27, 2006 14:11:01 GMT -5
I think some people should take their personal differences elsewhere. Some of us have forgotten what this site is all about.
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Post by Doowopper on Oct 27, 2006 19:05:13 GMT -5
I find it quite sad some of you adults can't get along on an internet forum. ;D
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Post by wildwoodjms on Oct 29, 2006 6:51:14 GMT -5
It is fun to was a serious debate, everyone has their own opinion, but name calling is childish.
Actually, what I do is read the opinions of the posters that I have found interesting over the last few years (regardless if they agree or disagree with my opinions) and skip over the ones that I don't care to read. Nothing personal, it is just a time issue for me and I try to keep up with "shore" talk and stories so that I can tell my family.
jackie
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Post by fuzzyscorpio on Oct 29, 2006 8:28:46 GMT -5
It is fun to was a serious debate, everyone has their own opinion, but name calling is childish.Yes, it is, but at least it's unmistakably, blatantly so. The more sophisticated forms of trollery are actually worse, IMO. My hat is off to you, Jackie, and to everyone else here who manages to disregard all the calculated provocation that goes on. I can't do that, especially in this format with the poster's identity off to the left. The bad stuff jumps off the page onto my head and bores in before I have a chance to brush it off. Maybe the new forum will have an "ignore" feature--I'd welcome that, although it doesn't save you from reading the troll BS that gets quoted in replies. There really is no substitute for thoughtful, even-handed moderation, but that is a difficult and time-consuming role for anyone to fulfill--especially with no relief or support. I've seen forum moderation work fairly well as a team effort. (No, I'm not volunteering... ;D ;D) Who doesn't have time issues nowadays? This is the era of compulsory multitasking whether one happens to be any good at it or not. That's why you see a lot of people posting on message boards at weird hours when they really should be asleep.
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Post by thelastresort on Oct 30, 2006 10:45:39 GMT -5
I think we need to be a little careful as to what we call "trollery" though. Sure, the blatant "you're an idiot" etc. is a no-brainer. But sometimes a difference in opinion gets mistaken for or characterized as "trollery", when it is simply a difference in opinion. Nothing wrong with differences in opinion, it just seems many times, differences in opinions are not welcome, especially if they advocate (God forbid) condos.
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Post by fuzzyscorpio on Oct 30, 2006 11:58:32 GMT -5
I think we need to be a little careful as to what we call "trollery" though. Sure, the blatant "you're an idiot" etc. is a no-brainer. But sometimes a difference in opinion gets mistaken for or characterized as "trollery", when it is simply a difference in opinion. Nothing wrong with differences in opinion, it just seems many times, differences in opinions are not welcome, especially if they advocate (God forbid) condos. Sure... that's why I alluded to "calculated provocation," which is the essence of trollery and is usually--though not always--unmistakable. And it's why I commented that moderation needs to be "thoughtful and even-handed." There's a huge difference between being a troll and being a hothead. Most of us are sometimes guilty of the latter. The core principle of acceptable posting behavior that I've seen a number of forums and mailing lists try to live by is: "Address the ideas, not the person." It's that simple--and that difficult--IMO.
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Post by thelastresort on Oct 30, 2006 12:26:15 GMT -5
Plus there are alot of ultra-sensitives floating around who take every criticism of a motel or neon sign as a personal attack, instead of just taking it for what it is, and then it denigrates into name calling.
Also, "calculated provocation" is not always calculated, maybe it is just an opinion. Unless someone attacks me or my ilk personally, I could give a sh-t what anyone says about any of the places on the island. I don't own any of them, and even if I did, who cares, as long as I was not losing business over it. I have my own opinions, and others are entitled to theirs.
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Post by fuzzyscorpio on Oct 30, 2006 15:14:24 GMT -5
Plus there are alot of ultra-sensitives floating around who take every criticism of a motel or neon sign as a personal attack, instead of just taking it for what it is, and then it denigrates into name calling. Also, "calculated provocation" is not always calculated, maybe it is just an opinion. Unless someone attacks me or my ilk personally, I could give a sh-t what anyone says about any of the places on the island. I don't own any of them, and even if I did, who cares, as long as I was not losing business over it. I have my own opinions, and others are entitled to theirs. In reality, irrespective of the sponsor's intent, this forum has characteristics of what is called in medical research "selection bias." Meaning that most of the people who join it do so because they share a certain view of the subject matter--in this case, being at least somewhat sympathetic to the concept of "doo-wop preservation." The Wildwoods are more than a P&L statement to a great number of us here. People do have "sentimental" attachments to its motels and attractions, to borrow one of your favorite epithets (as in the horde of "Binns sentimentalists" you predicted we'd hear from this morning . You say that others are entitled to their opinions. Well and good, but I would argue that others are also entitled to their feelings. When you start ridiculing people's attachments I think you've wandered into the personal-attack zone. That's why the principle that some forum moderators use is "address the ideas, not the person." Ideas, not emotions. You want to say, "The Binns has evolved as a conglomeration of architectural styles from different periods that just doesn't work," or "The Binns seems to be a very poorly run motel in my experience because..." but not, "You are such a moron for being sad because the Binns might be demolished."
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