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Post by wildre on Jun 27, 2006 19:33:50 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand why they went ahead and bought the property totally on spec and demolished it before all the permits were in place? All they had was hope (unless they were promised something else) they would be granted CAFRA. approval. Unless they were told it was a done deal and then the proper palms weren't greased at the proper time + place? They certainly could have signed the agreement of sale with the stipulation pending all permit approvals. This was suppose to be an anchor for the for the Convention Center, wonder how this will all play out? I agree The Wildwoods desperately need the rooms to be in viable competition for conventions, and expand these special weekends like DooWop, this past soccer weekend, etc. People want the amenities that these new properties would offer, room service, WIFI, etc.
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Post by MMM on Jun 27, 2006 19:36:22 GMT -5
I missed this part of the article earlier. How is this possible? Could they really demolish (legally) without a state permit? If so, how often was this done with other Motels no longer with us?
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Post by wildre on Jun 27, 2006 19:39:15 GMT -5
I missed this part of the article earlier. How is this possible? Could they really demolish (legally) without a permit? If so, how often was this done with other Motels no longer with us? I think they had City of Widwood approval not CAFRA's okay, that can take months sometimes years to get. re
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Post by MMM on Jun 27, 2006 19:48:19 GMT -5
But they don't need both? Why have to get two permits if someone could just thumb their nose at the state permit and do whatever they wish anyway?
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Post by wildre on Jun 27, 2006 19:51:20 GMT -5
I also hope that this signals a beginning in the state not issuing CAFRA permits for demolition of existing Motels such as (as Mike noted) the Ocean View, due to their historical significance, and the "look" & uniqueness they add to the island. I'd hope such a "development" does come out of this, and encourages restoration/preservation, and expansion (where applicable). I don't believe CAFRA does demo permits just building permits along the coast. www.state.nj.us/dep/landuse/coast.htmlCorrect me of I'm wrong here please? re
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Post by MMM on Jun 27, 2006 19:55:32 GMT -5
Thanks Marie. So it's more of submitting your plans to build to CAFRA, and them then either approving or not approving you. It's too bad that these permits aren't a requirement to have issued BEFORE demolition is allowed. I wonder how this all went down regarding the other Motels that were demolished for vinyl condos?
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Post by wildre on Jun 27, 2006 20:05:10 GMT -5
Thanks Marie. So it's more of submitting your plans to build to CAFRA, and them then either approving or not approving you. It's too bad that these permits aren't a requirement to have issued BEFORE demolition is allowed. I wonder how this all went down regarding the other Motels that were demolished for vinyl condos? Martin, they weren't 25 stories so their requirments would be far different than a condotels...apples + oranges I guess? Also:I read somewhere(either the Leader or Herald) recently that ALL The Wildwood Mayors were going to Trenton to lobby for some sort of fast track CAFRA approval, like AC has in place? Hope Thom comes along he maybe can shed some light on this aspect? re
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Post by hulk007 on Jun 27, 2006 21:10:20 GMT -5
This whole thing just seems very confusing and as was stated earlier how can the Oceanview avoid a similar fate. If the town gives a green light to demo the property before CAFRA approval is given.
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Post by Crippled_Visions on Jun 27, 2006 21:50:21 GMT -5
I actually agree with Thom on this one...this whole CAFRA denial of the permit is BS. It is clear that AC casino lobbyist paid off state officials to get this permit shot down. There is no way that Atlantic City needs convention competition from Wildwood. That's what it is, plain and simple. Do you actually believe the state gives two sh_ts about preserving Wildwood Hotels or shadows on houses? Not a chance in He_l.
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Post by crazyaboutwildwood on Jun 27, 2006 22:25:05 GMT -5
I actually agree with Thom on this one...this whole CAFRA denial of the permit is BS. It is clear that AC casino lobbyist paid off state officials to get this permit shot down. There is no way that Atlantic City needs convention competition from Wildwood. That's what it is, plain and simple. Do you actually believe the state gives two sh_ts about preserving Wildwood Hotels or shadows on houses? Not a chance in He_l. Great point Crippled!
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Post by MMM on Jun 27, 2006 22:39:10 GMT -5
Could very well be. We'll see if the state starts to not allow other places to be built as well...
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Post by johnnyd5555 on Jun 28, 2006 8:51:42 GMT -5
Although my inner conspiracy theorist would tend to agree with you guys about the powers that be in AC having something to do with this, that would beg the question of why they would not have interfered in the construction of the new convention center. If AC was worried about Wildwood stealing convention business they would have certainly found a way to slow down or even stop the process of constructing the center, especially when it invloved state funding.
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Post by wildre on Jun 28, 2006 9:21:16 GMT -5
The Wildwood Convention Center is not locally own, it is locally managed by The Greater Wildwoods Tourism Improvement and Development Authority (GWTIDA).
It's owned by the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority (NJSEA). They also own the AC Convention Center, in addition to the Meadowlands, Giants Stadium, and several others. It took years to get the Wildwood CC built, and I'm sure CAFRA had their problems with the location, right on the beach, but in the end the proper permits were approved and it was built. Of course that was state government building, not a private development.
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Post by techno on Jun 28, 2006 17:22:04 GMT -5
fanfreakintastic!!!!! We don't need a 25 story hotel and this makes me really happy!!!! They are finally using theirs instead of thinking with their wallets! I kind of agree. 281 feet is too high.
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Post by Doowopper on Jun 29, 2006 10:41:16 GMT -5
We keep talking about how we needed more hotel/motel rooms, and how a big place like the Nouveu Wave would help, but with so many rooms being condos, wouldn't a handful of smaller places sized like the Bal Harbour, etc. that were strictly hotels get almost the same amount of rooms as 1 in my opinion way to big skyscraper?
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