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Post by hulk007 on Sept 24, 2006 20:17:19 GMT -5
You know Frank, as sad as it is to see it go it just doesn't look right anymore. Like a poster said earlier, when Surf Ave was in its glory it looked like a nice touch surrounded by places like the 24th and the packard. It just does not fit in with the condos. I'll remember the HR for what it was like in the 90's and early 2000's.
Sadly, though I never got a chance to hit my ball into the "mysterious blue water" one last time. I guess I'll have to find a new place to keep up that tradition.
by the way, for next season can anyone suggest a good mini golf place( how is the one down near cape may?)
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Post by JerseyDigger29 on Sept 24, 2006 20:51:56 GMT -5
Sorry to be a downer here guys, but as someone who remembers the Manor Hotel and Supper Club from the last few years of its life and the beginning of mine, I have never been able to get too thrilled about the Rumble, or putt-putt golf courses "off the boardwalk," in general. Not even the one at Park and Hand. I will be sad to see it go, but only because of what is going to replace it. If it was going to make way for a more modern night club or entertainment complex, I'd be standing there watching the bulldozers and saying a fond "hasta la vista, baby." I say this in reference to a point I made in a different thread a while back. If something isn't part of your own formative years, it's hard to get emotional about it, so to speak. Younger people who spent their teenage years or slightly older experiencing the Rumble would feel a lot sadder than I do, because it's part of their formative experience. For me, the Rumble is too new and the nastalgia factor doesn't kick in to over-shadow the "blahs." What I will say is the hardest thing for me to accept about this loss is the fact that no one of authority in the city apparently stood up to say North Wildwood is becoming TOO residential, and is losing almost its entire entertainment atmosphere, particulary on Surf Avenue. My God, Surf used to be the entertainment Mecca of North Wildwood, with the Manor and Club Quebec, etc. Entertainers of the caliber of Jerry Lewis didn't play in Anglesea, they played on Surf Avenue, and we are losing that. Big Time! But I guess, with the loss of all those motels on Surf Avenue why have a night club or entertainment in that area. After all, it was the hotels plus the clubs that made it. Maybe one without the other wouldn't work. I don't know. The city is making a strong and noble effort to re-establish the Anglesea Entertainment District with the creation of more upscale properties like J.P Prime and the forthcoming "Flip Flopz of North Wildwood." But for a tourist resort like the Wildwoods, you can't have all your entertainment squeezed into a few small blocks at the end of the island. It HAS to be spread out evenly throughout the resort. Where do you think the word "atmosphere" in the Wildwoods came from? Atmosphere needs to spread out and permeate. Boy. that's deep. ;D Just my opinion - Thom
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Post by FlyinGN on Sept 25, 2006 7:37:30 GMT -5
The one in North WW with the big animals (dinosaurs) and Duffers Challange on Pacific ave in WW. That is very similar to HR. Food, ice cream and arcade besides the mini golf. The course is in perfect condition too. You know Frank, as sad as it is to see it go it just doesn't look right anymore. Like a poster said earlier, when Surf Ave was in its glory it looked like a nice touch surrounded by places like the 24th and the packard. It just does not fit in with the condos. I'll remember the HR for what it was like in the 90's and early 2000's. Sadly, though I never got a chance to hit my ball into the "mysterious blue water" one last time. I guess I'll have to find a new place to keep up that tradition. by the way, for next season can anyone suggest a good mini golf place( how is the one down near cape may?)
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Post by FlyinGN on Sept 25, 2006 7:41:07 GMT -5
I know what you mean Thom. The Rumble was not a part of 'us' for year either. In fact we were there for the first time this august. But once there the place sucks you right in. Its *real* atmosphere. The music, the happy employees, the golf the food. All the stuff memories are made of.. In fact we loved it so much we went there 3 times in one week..
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Post by thelastresort on Sept 25, 2006 7:47:35 GMT -5
I can empathize, but I also do not have much of a connection to the Rumble, or to North WW in general, since we always stayed down the crest.
But I would feel heartbroken if they tore down Duffers, so again, I can empathize even though I never went to the Rumble.
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Post by FlyinGN on Sept 25, 2006 9:08:20 GMT -5
we are 'cresters' too but we travel all over the island to play golf, eat and such...
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Post by bossman on Oct 9, 2006 11:03:38 GMT -5
Another "historic" eatery known as "The County Library" was in the site of the present HR. This was in the late 70's or early 80's. It only lasted for a year or two. Whether the Rumble came immediately after the Library or not, I don't remember. I stayed at the 24th Street since 1979 and the Library was there then. It was an eatery and there were shelves around with books. I remember finding a children's book there that I had at home. It was fairly old and I was surprised to find the same book 400 miles from home and still around. (I'm being facetious when I say historic.)
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Post by wildre on Oct 25, 2006 9:22:36 GMT -5
Greetings from North Carolina!!! I had to leave Paradise yesterday. Received some updated Hawaiian Rumble info. If you recall I posted that Flynn had several SOLD signs on the building. As yesterday morning at 6am, the property remains as it's been since they closed. Hawaiian Rumble sold for only $2,150,000 on 10/10/06 and was recorded on 10/19/06 and they have gotten a $2.8 million construction mortgage with the guarantee of future advances. Apparently the lot is assessed for $7,318,100 with $0 for the buildings/structures on it. In addition, according to the County records, it has an equalized value of $18,190,653.74 since it was only assessed at 40.23% of actual value. Don't know what all that means, does anyone??? It appears that the HR owners bought the lot from Pink Pony Motel Corp on 12/30/88. The lot is 200 x 306. re
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Post by tbear on Oct 25, 2006 12:15:51 GMT -5
WOW. That has got to be one really large tax bill if that was what it was assessed for. I drove by the Rumble on Saturday and it doesn't look much different from FlyinGN's photos above. The last time I saw the place before was for a wonderful breakfast and a round of golf. It was so alive with activity that it was strange to see it so dead.
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Post by FlyinGN on Oct 25, 2006 13:57:08 GMT -5
re- that ws because of the story I told you.. They had to sell it for a price that they HAD to take,, no choice... They took it to court but the crooked NWW court system told them that they *HAD* to sell it at a price that the developer offered. NO CHOICE>>>> Nice huh? Thats why they did not sell for what it was really worth...
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Post by thelastresort on Oct 25, 2006 15:32:45 GMT -5
Very odd. I wonder if they entered into some kind of contract with the developer and the developer sued them for "specific performance", which is basically to force them to sell for the terms of the contract.
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Post by wildwood6 on Oct 25, 2006 16:06:08 GMT -5
re- that ws because of the story I told you.. They had to sell it for a price that they HAD to take,, no choice... They took it to court but the crooked NWW court system told them that they *HAD* to sell it at a price that the developer offered. NO CHOICE>>>> Nice huh? Thats why they did not sell for what it was really worth... Could you provide us with a few more details about this court in NWW. The only court system that I am familiar with located in NWW is the Municipal Court. And as everyone knows the municipal court only has jurisdiction in the handling of local ordinance complaints, traffic summons, and disorderly person’s offenses. I am not aware of any court system located in NWW that would handle civil matters such as this. So where is this, using you terminology “crooked NWW court system” located?
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Post by Cindy on Oct 25, 2006 18:02:36 GMT -5
RE, I will translate your post into layman’s terms (I work for a mortgage co):
“Apparently the lot is assessed for $7,318,100 with $0 for the buildings/structures on it.”
Assessed values exist for tax purposes. (Remember the controversial tax hikes in WW last year? Pay attention because it all comes together.) Several factors affect the assessments. For example, assessors consider yearly increases in the area, or improvements such as additions. The total assessment is broken down into land + improvements (structures). (Note that the value for the improvements (building) of the HR is $0.) Re-assessments occur when there is a major change in the market or a given property.
“In addition, according to the County records, it has an equalized value of $18,190,653.74 since it was only assessed at 40.23% of actual value. Don't know what all that means, does anyone???”
Frequently, assessments are lower than market value and this one came in at 40.23% of the market value.
.4023 (40.23%) * $18,190,653.74 (equalized value) = $7,318,100 (the assessed value)
Since the property assessed at only 40.23% of market value, an "equalization" process occurs to get the value up to a more accurate value for its location. This value will be more in line with the other properties in the immediate area - they "equal" out. A re-assessment would need to be done (i.e. after the construction).
Sometimes, as was the case in WW last year, assessments can dramatically increase. Since taxes are based on the assessed values, taxes will also significantly increase. This situation is seen in areas encouraging development (A-ha!). The high taxes basically create a "survival of the wealthiest" environment. In addition, to support a developing area, the township, city, county, etc needs resources (MONEY). How do they get it? Taxpayers – with highly assessed properties, and, therefore, high taxes.
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Post by MMM on Oct 25, 2006 19:11:17 GMT -5
Didn't North Wildwood basically reassess many(?) properties through the roof (IMO overvaluing the land in many instances, as above), but pledged to reduce the tax rate to compensate?
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Post by wildwood4life on Oct 25, 2006 21:45:24 GMT -5
Sounds farmiliar.....don't know how true it is butI heard the owner of the Lurae wanted to stay and put another floor on and he was denied and basically forced to sell.
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